4 or 5 Legs

This is the end result of three recent threads in ammk, which I added below Ron's correction of Mike Pierry's original transcription.

posted by Ron Spiegelhalter
e-mail, 12/10/01

First bar:

e------3---------------------------
B------3-------3-------------------
G--4-5---------2---0-----------0---
D----------0-4-----------4---------
A--0-------------------3---0-------
E----------0-----2---0-------------          
Second bar:          
e----------------------------------
B----------------------------------
G--------------0---------------0---
D--------4---------------4---------
A------3---0-----------3---0-------
E--2-0-------------2-0-------------          
Third bar:          
e------3---------------------------
B------3-------3---3---------------
G--4-5---------2---2---------------
D----------0-4---------------------
A--0-------------------------------
E----------0-----0-----------------          
 Alternate third bar:          
 e------3---------------------------
 B------3-------3---7-9-7-----------
 G--4-5---------2---7-9-7-----------
 D----------0-4---------------------
 A--0-------------------------------
 E----------0-----0---------0---2-3-          
Fourth bar:          
e----------------------------------
B----------------------------------
G--------------0---------------2---
D--------4---------------4---------
A------3---0-----------3---0-------
E--2-0-------------2-0-------------          
 Alternate fourth bar:          
 e----------------------------------
 B----------------------------------
 G--------------0---------------2---
 D------------------------4---------
 A------2-3-0-----------3---0-------
 E--2-0-------------2-0-------------          
Fifth bar:          
e----------------------------------
B------3-----0---------------------
G--5-4-----2---2---------------0---
D----------------------------------
A----------------------2-3-0-------
E--3-------1-----2-3-0-------------          
 Alternate fifth bar for second guitar:          
 e------3-------0--------------[5]--
 B--5-3-----1-3----------------[5]--
 G------------------2-0-------------
 D----------------------4-2---------
 A--------------------------3-------
 E----------------------------------          
Sixth bar:          
e----------------------------------
B----------------------------------
G--------------0---------------0---
D--------4---------------4---------
A------3---0-----------3---0-------
E--2-0-------------2-0-------------          
Seventh bar:          
e--12---------7--------------------
B-----13------8--------------------
G--------14---7--------------------
D----------------------------------
A----------------------------------
E-------------0--------------------          
Repeat          
"B" section...          
Bar eight:          
e----5--------------8------------
B--8---8--7-----7-8---8---7------
G---------7---7-----------7------
D--0------0-------0-----0--------
A--------------------------------
E--------------------------------          
Bar nine:          
e----5----------------------------
B--8---8--7-----7-7-5-----3-------
G---------7---7-------5---4-------
D--0------0-------0---------------
A-------------------------3-------
E---------------------------------          
Repeat          
Bar ten:          
e--------------------2-0-----3-------
B--3-(4)-3---1-----1-----------------
G--4-(5)-4---2---2-------5---4-------
D------------------------------------
A--0-------0---------0-----0---------
E------------------------------------          
Bar eleven:          
e--------------------12---------10-----
B--7-(8)-7---5----------13------8------
G--7-(8)-7---5---5---------14---7------
D-------------------------------9------
A--0-------0--------------------7------
E-------------------------------0------


          

THREAD 1

from Mike Pierry
ammk, 12/5/01


This is my tab for "5 Legs." It seems to be the easiest thing to figure out how to play on Wooden Smoke. I have no idea whether the fret positions are correct, but hopefully all the notes are right. I wrote this out in standard notation first. Proud of me?

This is the first bar:          
e------3---------------------------
B------3-------3-------------------
G--4-5---------2---0-----------0---
D----------0-4-----------4---------
A--0-------------------3---0-------
E----------0-----2---0-------------          
Second bar:          
e----------------------------------
B----------------------------------
G--------------0---------------0---
D--------4---------------4---------
A------3---0-----------3---0-------
E--2-0-------------2-0-------------          
Third bar:          
e------3---------------------------
B------3-------3---3---------------
G--4-5---------2---2---------------
D----------0-4---------------------
A--0-------------------------------
E----------0-----0-----------------          
Fourth bar:          
e----------------------------------
B----------------------------------
G--------------0---------------2---
D--------4---------------4---------
A------3---0-----------3---0-------
E--2-0-------------2-0-------------          
Fifth bar:          
e----------------------------------
B------3-----0---------------------
G--5-4-----2---2---------------0---
D----------------------------------
A----------------------2-3-0-------
E--3-------1-----2-3-0-------------          
Sixth bar:          
e----------------------------------
B----------------------------------
G--------------0---------------0---
D--------4---------------4---------
A------3---0-----------3---0-------
E--2-0-------------2-0-------------          
Seventh bar:          
e--12---------7--------------------
B-----13------8--------------------
G--------14---7--------------------
D----------------------------------
A----------------------------------
E-------------0--------------------          
Repeat all of that now, but substitute this for the third bar:          
e------3-----------2-4-2-----------
B------3-------3---3-5-3-----------
G--4-5---------2-------------------
D----------0-4---------------------
A--0-------------------------------
E----------0-----0---------0---2-3-          
Okay?           
Now comes the "B" section...          
Bar eight:          
e--3-5-3---2-----2-3-5-3---2-------
B--------------3-------------------
G----------------------------------
D--0-----0---------0-----0---------
A----------------------------------
E----------------------------------          
Bar nine:          
e--3-5-3---2-----2-2-0-------------
B--------------3-------1---3-------
G--------------------------4-------
D--0-----0---------0---------------
A--------------------------3-------
E----------------------------------          
Repeat bars eight and nine, please.           
Bar ten:          
e--------------------2-0-----3-------
B--3-(4)-4---1-----1-----1-----------
G--4-(5)-3---2---2-----------4-------
D------------------------------------
A--0-------0---------0-----0---------
E------------------------------------          
Bar eleven:          
e--------------------12---------10-----
B--7-(8)-7---5----------13------8------
G--7-(8)-7---5---5---------14---7------
D-------------------------------9------
A--0-------0--------------------7------
E-------------------------------0------          

Special note on these last two bars:

The two diads in parentheses are bent notes, so you're not really playing those frets, you're bending up to them. I hope that makes sense, it's how them guitar magazines usually do it. Also, you can leave off the 7th-fret E on the last chord if you want to.

After that you repeat everything from the beginning.

Special note on "B" section:

You'll notice I didn't notate the really high jangly guitar part. I don't know how to.

---
Pierry

from Ron Spiegelhalter
ammk, 12/5/01

I would hate it if I posted a tab I worked hard on and nobody responded to it, so... thanks Mike! I'm working on it, and if I come up with any
suggestions, I'll be sure to post them! That's about it, really. Oh,I did have one thing...

> Fifth bar:
>
> e----------------------------------
> B------3-----0---------------------
> G--5-4-----2---2---------------0---
> D----------------------------------
> A----------------------2-3-0-------
> E--3-------1-----2-3-0-------------          

At the beginning there, I'm opting for 1-0 on the B string (rather than 5-4 on the G) for ease of playing. It seems to fit my hand better. No opinion yet on the sonic comparison vis-a-vis the album.

ron

from Mike Pierry
ammk, 12/5/01

The reason for tabbing it that way is because MK said he uses his thumb to fret the low G, and I find it very awkward to do that while being in first position o play the melody on the B string. My whole basis for the entire tab is based on where MK said he used his thumb in the song. It's all conjecture based on that.

The notation of the initial figure as played in third position instead of first position is less defendable (i.e. the very first beat of the very first bar, I can't show you now because I'm replying via AOL and this font isn't monospace). I could definitely see a case for either way of playing it, and in fact I almost decided to change the tab but I didn't based on the similarity of the fifth bar with the first bar. So that was arbitrary.

My strings are pretty old (though they are the wonderful Elixirs that come with all Taylors) and this diminishes somewhat my ability to distinguish between the unique timbres produced by playing the same figure in different positions. I did my best to try and figure out what sounds like what's being played on the album combined with what seems logical from a guitarist's standpoint.

Like every Keneally composition I've transcribed, this one follows a fascinating, intuitive logic that makes playing it fun and instructive. I always learn something from transcribing, although inevitably a certain amount of the "ineffable" quality of the music goes away forever once you know precisely what is going on. It's an incredibly worthwhile exercise.

---
Pierry

from Mike Keneally
ammk, 12/5/01

>At the beginning there, I'm opting for 1-0 on the B string (rather than 5-4
>on the G) for ease of playing. It seems to fit my hand better. No opinion
>yet on the sonic comparison vis-a-vis the album.

I haven't checked the whole tab out, but yeah, I play it 5-4 on the G, G.

MK, G

THREAD 2

from Ron Spiegelhalter
ammk, 12/5/01

"Mike Pierry" <dildo_faggins@yahoo.com> wrote...
> This is my tab for "5 Legs."

Okay, now I definitely have a correction...

> Now comes the "B" section...
>
> Bar eight:
>
> e--3-5-3---2-----2-3-5-3---2-------
> B--------------3-------------------
> G----------------------------------
> D--0-----0---------0-----0---------
> A----------------------------------
> E----------------------------------
>
> Bar nine:
>
> e--3-5-3---2-----2-2-0-------------
> B--------------3-------1---3-------
> G--------------------------4-------
> D--0-----0---------0---------------
> A--------------------------3-------
> E----------------------------------
>
> Repeat bars eight and nine, please.          
I've got...          
Bar eight:          
e---------------------8------------
B--8-10-8---7-----7-8---8---7------
G-----------7---7-----------7------
D--0------0---------0-----0--------
A----------------------------------
E----------------------------------          
Bar nine:          
e----------------------------------
B--8-10-8---7-----7-7-5----3-------
G-----------7---7-------5--4-------
D--0------0---------0--------------
A--------------------------3-------
E----------------------------------          

I'm definitely hearing that high note there, and the thirds, so I think this is a step closer.

ron

from Mike Pierry
ammk, 12/6/01

I love that high note! Thanks Ron. In fact this totally changes my
approach to this part of the song. How about using a pick and going
like this:

Bar eight:
           
e----5--------------8------------
B--8---8--7-----7-8---8---7------
G---------7---7-----------7------
D--0------0-------0-----0--------
A--------------------------------
E--------------------------------          
Bar nine:
           
e----5----------------------------
B--8---8--7-----7-7-5-----3-------
G---------7---7-------5---4-------
D--0------0-------0---------------
A-------------------------3-------
E---------------------------------          

The reason I like this is cause you can let all the notes ring out and be all chimey, which sounds sweet. No idea whether it has anything to do with the actual recording or not, but me think it sound good. Grunt!

Oh also, I have the vaguest memory from the Bottom Line shows of Keneally playing one of the acoustic WS songs partway through with fingers and partway with pick.. I may or may not just *think* I remember this. But for right now, I'm pretending it was "5 Legs."

Also, why is it about 20 degrees WARMER now than it was during those shows?? Will the phrase "weather pattern" ever seem anything but a ridiculous oxymoron to us northeasterners? The bottom of my coffee mug says, "no!"

--
Pierry

from Mike Keneally
ammk, 12/7/01

>Bar eight:
> 
>e----5--------------8------------
>B--8---8--7-----7-8---8---7------
>G---------7---7-----------7------
>D--0------0-------0-----0--------
>A--------------------------------
>E--------------------------------
>
>
>Bar nine:
> 
>e----5----------------------------
>B--8---8--7-----7-7-5-----3-------
>G---------7---7-------5---4-------
>D--0------0-------0---------------
>A-------------------------3-------
>E---------------------------------
>          

That's the one!

MK

THREAD 3

from Ron Spiegelhalter
ammk, 12/6/01

Okay, some more corrections.

MP's bar ten:          
e--------------------2-0-----3-------
B--3-(4)-4---1-----1-----1-----------
G--4-(5)-3---2---2-----------4-------
D------------------------------------
A--0-------0---------0-----0---------
E------------------------------------          

First, that bend does not happen the first time through in 5 Legs, but it does in 4 Legs. N.B. Secondly, you've got your 4 and 3 switched after the bend. Corrected, it looks thusly:

Bar ten:          
e--------------------2-0-----3-------
B--3-(4)-3---1-----1-----1-----------
G--4-(5)-4---2---2-----------4-------
D------------------------------------
A--0-------0---------0-----0---------
E------------------------------------          
And of course, that bend is optional the first time through.          
Next, for bar four we've got:          
Fourth bar:          
e----------------------------------
B----------------------------------
G--------------0---------------2---
D--------4---------------4---------
A------3---0-----------3---0-------
E--2-0-------------2-0-------------          

This is correct the first time through (after that big pause) but not the second and third. The alternate fourth bar is:

Alternate fourth bar:          
e----------------------------------
B----------------------------------
G--------------0---------------2---
D------------------------4---------
A------2-3-0-----------3---0-------
E--2-0-------------2-0-------------          

Now for some impossibility. The last time through the "pebble unto rock" section (bar five), I'm pretty sure we've got two guitars going. There's a harmony we haven't tabbed yet, and I don't see it happening on one guitar, though I'm going to try anyway. The closest I can come is this:

Alternate fifth:          
e------3-------0--------------[5]--
B--5-3-3---1-2----------------[5]--
G--5-4-----2---2---2-0---------0---
D----------------------4-2---------
A----------------------2-3-3-------
E--3-------1-----2-3-0-----5-------          

The [brackets] at the end there represent harmonics. The bar is fine until you get to that descending run and it gets in the way of the bass notes; this is what makes me think we've got two guitars here. But if you can wrap your fingers around what I have above, all the notes should be there. Good luck. I've pasted what I have for the entire piece at this point below my sig.

ron

-------------------------

First bar:          
e------3---------------------------
B------3-------3-------------------
G--4-5---------2---0-----------0---
D----------0-4-----------4---------
A--0-------------------3---0-------
E----------0-----2---0-------------          
Second bar:          
e----------------------------------
B----------------------------------
G--------------0---------------0---
D--------4---------------4---------
A------3---0-----------3---0-------
E--2-0-------------2-0-------------          
Third bar:          
e------3---------------------------
B------3-------3---3---------------
G--4-5---------2---2---------------
D----------0-4---------------------
A--0-------------------------------
E----------0-----0-----------------          
 Alternate third bar:          
 e------3-----------2-4-2-----------
 B------3-------3---3-5-3-----------
 G--4-5---------2-------------------
 D----------0-4---------------------
 A--0-------------------------------
 E----------0-----0---------0---2-3-          
Fourth bar:          
e----------------------------------
B----------------------------------
G--------------0---------------2---
D--------4---------------4---------
A------3---0-----------3---0-------
E--2-0-------------2-0-------------          
 Alternate fourth bar:          
 e----------------------------------
 B----------------------------------
 G--------------0---------------2---
 D------------------------4---------
 A------2-3-0-----------3---0-------
 E--2-0-------------2-0-------------          
Fifth bar:          
e----------------------------------
B------3-----0---------------------
G--5-4-----2---2---------------0---
D----------------------------------
A----------------------2-3-0-------
E--3-------1-----2-3-0-------------          
 Alternate fifth bar:          
 e------3-------0--------------[5]--
 B--5-3-3---1-2----------------[5]--
 G--5-4-----2---2---2-0---------0---
 D----------------------4-2---------
 A----------------------2-3-3-------
 E--3-------1-----2-3-0-----5-------          
Sixth bar:          
e----------------------------------
B----------------------------------
G--------------0---------------0---
D--------4---------------4---------
A------3---0-----------3---0-------
E--2-0-------------2-0-------------          
Seventh bar:          
e--12---------7--------------------
B-----13------8--------------------
G--------14---7--------------------
D----------------------------------
A----------------------------------
E-------------0--------------------          
Repeat          
"B" section...          
Bar eight:          
e----5--------------8------------
B--8---8--7-----7-8---8---7------
G---------7---7-----------7------
D--0------0-------0-----0--------
A--------------------------------
E--------------------------------          
Bar nine:          
e----5----------------------------
B--8---8--7-----7-7-5-----3-------
G---------7---7-------5---4-------
D--0------0-------0---------------
A-------------------------3-------
E---------------------------------          
Repeat          
Bar ten:          
e--------------------2-0-----3-------
B--3-(4)-3---1-----1-----1-----------
G--4-(5)-4---2---2-----------4-------
D------------------------------------
A--0-------0---------0-----0---------
E------------------------------------          
Bar eleven:          
e--------------------12---------10-----
B--7-(8)-7---5----------13------8------
G--7-(8)-7---5---5---------14---7------
D-------------------------------9------
A--0-------0--------------------7------
E-------------------------------0------          
from Mike Keneally
ammk, 12/7/01          
>Bar ten:
>
>e--------------------2-0-----3-------
>B--3-(4)-3---1-----1-----1-----------
>G--4-(5)-4---2---2-----------4-------
>D------------------------------------
>A--0-------0---------0-----0---------
>E------------------------------------          

(...) The bar above is correct except that, for reasons of tone and fun, I play the final C of the bar on the fifth fret of the G string with my li'l pinky instead of the first fret of the B string. It's fun pulling off the F# to the open E and following it with the resonant fifth fret G with a pinky. Do it!

Ron did an exciting thing by attempting to tab two guitar harmony parts for one guitar:

>Alternate fifth:
>
>e------3-------0--------------[5]--
>B--5-3-3---1-2----------------[5]--
>G--5-4-----2---2---2-0---------0---
>D----------------------4-2---------
>A----------------------2-3-3-------
>E--3-------1-----2-3-0-----5-------          

Reminds me of when Andy Partridge dared me to learn "And Your Bird Can Sing" on one guitar. Extra points for Ron.

MK

from Ron Spiegelhalter
ammk, 12/7/01

"Boil That" <boilthat@aol.com> wrote...
>
> Ron did an exciting thing by attempting to tab two guitar harmony parts for one
> guitar:

> >Alternate fifth:
> >
> >e------3-------0--------------[5]--
> >B--5-3-3---1-2----------------[5]--
> >G--5-4-----2---2---2-0---------0---
> >D----------------------4-2---------
> >A----------------------2-3-3-------
> >E--3-------1-----2-3-0-----5-------          

Exciting and yet so difficult as to be probably not worth it. I am going to try to master everything in there minus the descending run and the harmonics. The opening harmonies seem doable if knuckle-torturing.

> Extra points for Ron.
>
> MK

Ooo, I can't wait to redeem them!

Just for the sake of up-to-dateness, here's what I believe we have at this point. Oh, before I do that, I've made another personal adjustment for my own amusement, and perhaps it will amuse you too (it's a clown to you!). In bars ten and eleven, since we're playing this without Bryan on hand, I'm alternating that bass part between the A and the low E the second time around (usually the first time too, but I'm trying to break that habit). It's not as accurate perhaps, but it's more fun. Okay, on to the tab...

First bar:          
e------3---------------------------
B------3-------3-------------------
G--4-5---------2---0-----------0---
D----------0-4-----------4---------
A--0-------------------3---0-------
E----------0-----2---0-------------          
Second bar:          
e----------------------------------
B----------------------------------
G--------------0---------------0---
D--------4---------------4---------
A------3---0-----------3---0-------
E--2-0-------------2-0-------------          
Third bar:          
e------3---------------------------
B------3-------3---3---------------
G--4-5---------2---2---------------
D----------0-4---------------------
A--0-------------------------------
E----------0-----0-----------------          
 Alternate third bar:          
 e------3---------------------------
 B------3-------3---7-9-7-----------
 G--4-5---------2---7-9-7-----------
 D----------0-4---------------------
 A--0-------------------------------
 E----------0-----0---------0---2-3-          
Fourth bar:          
e----------------------------------
B----------------------------------
G--------------0---------------2---
D--------4---------------4---------
A------3---0-----------3---0-------
E--2-0-------------2-0-------------          
 Alternate fourth bar:          
 e----------------------------------
 B----------------------------------
 G--------------0---------------2---
 D------------------------4---------
 A------2-3-0-----------3---0-------
 E--2-0-------------2-0-------------          
Fifth bar:          
e----------------------------------
B------3-----0---------------------
G--5-4-----2---2---------------0---
D----------------------------------
A----------------------2-3-0-------
E--3-------1-----2-3-0-------------          
 Alternate fifth bar for second guitar:          
 e------3-------0--------------[5]--
 B--5-3-----1-3----------------[5]--
 G------------------2-0-------------
 D----------------------4-2---------
 A--------------------------3-------
 E----------------------------------          
Sixth bar:          
e----------------------------------
B----------------------------------
G--------------0---------------0---
D--------4---------------4---------
A------3---0-----------3---0-------
E--2-0-------------2-0-------------          
Seventh bar:          
e--12---------7--------------------
B-----13------8--------------------
G--------14---7--------------------
D----------------------------------
A----------------------------------
E-------------0--------------------          
Repeat          
"B" section...          
Bar eight:          
e----5--------------8------------
B--8---8--7-----7-8---8---7------
G---------7---7-----------7------
D--0------0-------0-----0--------
A--------------------------------
E--------------------------------          
Bar nine:          
e----5----------------------------
B--8---8--7-----7-7-5-----3-------
G---------7---7-------5---4-------
D--0------0-------0---------------
A-------------------------3-------
E---------------------------------          
Repeat          
Bar ten:          
e--------------------2-0-----3-------
B--3-(4)-3---1-----1-----------------
G--4-(5)-4---2---2-------5---4-------
D------------------------------------
A--0-------0---------0-----0---------
E------------------------------------          
Bar eleven:          
e--------------------12---------10-----
B--7-(8)-7---5----------13------8------
G--7-(8)-7---5---5---------14---7------
D-------------------------------9------
A--0-------0--------------------7------
E-------------------------------0------          
ron          

 

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